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MORE INTERESTING THAN MOST PEOPLE’S FANTASIES — THE SWINGING EIGHTIES 1978-1984They didn’t call themselves New Romantics, or the Blitz Kids – but other people did.
“I’d find people at the Blitz who were possible only in my imagination. But they were real” — Stephen Jones, hatmaker, 1983. (Illustration courtesy Iain R Webb, 1983)
“The truth about those Blitz club people was more interesting than most people’s fantasies” — Steve Dagger, pop group manager, 1983
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- 2016 ➤ Bowie’s passionate eye for art proves to be not bad at all
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BOWIE LANDMARKS✱ 40 years since “I picked on you-oo-oo”! July 6, 1972 saw the seminal pop moment — David Bowie’s first appearance on Top of the Pops as Ziggy Stardust, on the day in 1972 that he created the next generation of popstar wannabes ✱ Who dares define glam rock? Where to draw a line between glitter and glam – naff blokes in Bacofoil versus starmen with pretensions ✱ Bowie’s teenage lover who created the look of Ziggy – unseen pic of Freddie Burretti from 1973, exclusive report at Shapers of the 80s
STEVE STRANGE LANDMARKS
◆ Original Blitz Kids say farewell to Steve Strange – read exclusive tributes to the King of the Posers
◆ On Mi-soul radio on 13 Feb 2015, the day after Steve Strange died, deejay Rusty Egan paid musical tribute to his sidekick in founding their legendary Blitz club-night back in 1979: “Music says everything I could ever want to say” ... Catch up at Mixcloud
OH MY VISAGE-AH
◆ 2013: Midge Ure denies Strange’s claims of collaborat- ing on a new Visage while Rusty Egan asks where his royalties have gone
◆ 2013: Out of the 80s frying pan into the 21st-century fire. . . Here’s the true story of how Visage changed the sound of clubland music, as Steve Strange announces his own new version of “Visage”
NEWS — OLD FACES, NEW MIXES FOR THE 20-TEENS✱ Tony Hadley is back “doing what he loves best – being a solo artist” at live concerts during December. . . For the 15th, tickets are on sale for the 10th Shooting Star Chase and Surrey Life carol concert where Vice President Hadley will sing .............................................................................. ✱ UNDO Records presents the original Blitz Club deejay's first solo album capturing the spirit of 80s electronica, “Rusty Egan presents. . . Welcome to the Dancefloor” to be published through Pledge Music, the community of artists and fans who believe in a better way to make, enjoy and buy music. Pre-order the 14-track album and exclusive related products to ensure the album’s release (CD and vinyl) before Christmas. Hear all about the guest artists starring alongside Rusty who include Tony Hadley and Peter Hook, plus co-producer Nick Bitzenis aka Nikonn. Click on the Soundcloud player below to hear some snippets now: .............................................................................. ✱ Breakout star Sasha Lane covers i-D’s winter issue which reflects on a tough year and asked its photographers to document the post-election hopes and fears of the boys and girls they met ✱ i-D’s soundtrack of December’s new releases ft. Justice, Burial and Loyle Carner .............................................................................. ✱ Millie Bobby Brown (above) and Finn Wolfhard take centre stage on alt covers for Dazed Winter 2016 which explores “how Stranger Things possessed our minds”, namely the sci-fi series on Netflix starring Winona Ryder ✱ Listen to Gaika’s dark city playlist – At Dazed Digital, the prince of London’s underground chooses tunes that inspired his latest project .............................................................................. ✱ The autumn issue of V Magazine recasts the New Romantics for American readers, and puts millennial pioneers on its covers: Mormon supermodel and social media wunderkind Lucky BS on one and Troye Sivan on another as the gay YouTuber carving out a new path through music. Eyebrows are already raised .............................................................................. ✱ “The Royalty” issue 66 of Soul Survivors magazine features Tavares, Downing and Hines, while promising Eddy Grant in issue 67, along with reviews of The Four Tops and The Temptations. Under Fitzroy Facey’s sole ownership, the mag celebrated its tenth anniversary with a new compilation on Expansion Records (above) .............................................................................. ✱ Tue–Sat: Trumphouse Tuesdays, Grenade, FCK, #FRI251, SatFac251 at Factory251 – clubnights, cocktail masterclasses and live bands – EDM, house, garage, hiphop, nu disco, funk, soul and indie over three floors designed by Ben Kelly at Princess St, Manchester M1 7EN .............................................................................. ✱ Remake Remodel claims to be “The Nation’s Saving Grace of Alternative, Rock’n’Roll” — Ruby Lounge M4 1QB first Saturday of the month, plus Rip It Up Mondays at Soup Kitchen M1 1DF
30 YEARS SINCE HOCKNEY REVEALED HIS VISION
◆ The painter David Hockney proposed the “cubification” of cinema three decades ago in a landmark interview in 1983 with Shapers of the 80s when he revealed “Suddenly I see cubism differently, more clearly”. Read it inside, along with news of his recent experiments to subvert single-point perspective. [iPad self-portrait, detail © David Hockney]
Shapers of the 80s “invaluable”
◆ Shapersofthe80s is declared an “invaluable website” by historian Dominic Sandbrook, author of the rich cultural analysis, Seasons in the Sun: The Battle for Britain, 1974–1979. We report how Sandbrook gives generous credit to key influencers on youth culture who are the stars of this website. His unstuffy appreciation of high and low life energised the BBC2 series The Seventies aired in 2012
◆ Elsewhere at Shapers of the 80s, telly don Simon Schama succinctly expresses why we should document the “irreverent freedom” that is a special aspect of life in Britain
Sade in a nutshell ♫ ♫✱ After 2010’s Grammy Award winning Soldier Of Love LP, Sade went on to release The Ultimate Collection. The 29 tracks on two CDs included three new numbers, plus a version of Moon & The Sky featuring Jay-Z . . . In 2011 the band won a Grammy award for Best R&B Performance By A Group for the track Soldier Of Love ✱ 2010 — Shapersofthe80s finds comeback Shard comfy as ‘Auntie Sade’ ✱ 1981 — Pix of Sade’s Demob designs during the first Blitz invasion of the US ✱ 1982 — Pix of Sade helping backstage during Steve Strange’s fashion show in Paris
GEORGE O’DOWD SINCE 1979➢ 1980, Three key men in Boy George’s life ➢ 2010, Ex-Blitz Kids give their verdicts on the TV drama Worried About the Boy (pictured) ➢ 1979 — Unbelievable! The voice of sweet reason in George’s TV debut ➢ 2010, Ex-jailbird George takes his first trancey steps on the path to sainthood ➢ June 14, 2011, Boy George celebrates the big Five-0 and tells the world, yes, finally he has “lots of regrets” ...
➢ . . . then Shapersofthe80s reports from the fruit-cakiest party of summer 2011 ➢ 2011, Boy George released Ordinary Alien, The Kinky Roland Files, a CD import on the independent Decode label — his first solo album in more than a decade ➢ 2012, Boy George reunites with Culture Club for New Year’s Day — and a new album
SPANDAU 35 YEARS ON
◆ Shapers of the 80s tells the story of Spandau Ballet’s comeback tour after two decades apart — Videos, interviews, free downloads, links and background articles from the 2009–10 Reformation tour ... That’s all folks, possibly for ever, as it seemed at the time
◆ Story behind the making of Spandau’s Olympic Gold, remixed by deejay Paul Oakenfold and turned into a slick vid
DURAN DURAN’s REBIRTH✱ 35 years ago the 80s supergroup’s debut single Planet Earth peaked at No 12 in the UK chart . . . Shapers of the 80s tells how Duran’s road to stardom began in the Studio 54 of Birmingham, UK, in 1980 ✱ Highlights of Duran’s round-the-world adventure in 2011 . . . and DD’s delayed return to the UK . . . Plus ten killer videos other people made as tributes to Duran’s return to creativity
ESSENTIAL LANDMARK READS➢ Spandau Ballet, the Blitz Kids and the birth of the New Romantics — a brisk history by yours truly of who did what to make stars out of a club houseband, change the rhythm of the UK charts — and ultimately transform the British media ➢ How three wizards met at the same crossroad in time — a brief scene-setter on the forces shaping the Swinging Eighties ➢ 1980, Strange days, strange nights, strange people: at The Blitz a decade dawns ➢ 1980, One week in the private worlds of the new young: London blazes with creativity ➢ 1980, Shapers of the 80s tells how Duran Duran’s road to stardom began in the Studio 54 of Birmingham, UK ➢ 1981, Birth of Duran’s Planet Earth ... when other people’s faith put the Brummies into the charts ➢ 1983, The Making of UK Club Culture — definitive Face cover story by yours truly seen here in the Wham Rap! video ➢ 1976–1984, How creative clubbing started and ended with the 80s ➢ 2010, Comeback Shard comfy as ‘Auntie Sade’ ➢ 2009, Onstage, Spandau’s Hadley and Kemp finally get huggy: a mighty Reformation ➢ 35 years as master of hot cuts – How legendary funk deejay Robbie Vincent influenced the shape of British musical taste
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Tag Archives: Mick Karn
On video: Muriel Gray interviews Mick Karn and Peter Murphy as Dalis Car on Channel 4’s weekly music show The Tube in November 1984
❚ CONFIRMATION COMES TODAY of the last musical collaboration by Mick Karn, former bass player with Japan, who died of cancer in January. His longtime associate Debi Zornes announces today at Facebook: “Mick’s final work has yet to be released and is a collaboration with Peter Murphy as Dalis Car 2. The duo were reunited in a studio in Oxford at the end of September last year to begin work and four tracks were completed over the ensuing months — a slow process due to Mick’s declining health. Steve [Jansen] has just finishing mixing the four tracks which will be released as an EP. More news to follow soon, including release date.”
Debi also thanks everyone who sent messages of condolence and support and donations. “They were invaluable in providing support for Mick and his family during those last 7 months. It allowed them to relocate to London to receive better care and be close to friends.”
Murphy said that the recent collaboration was the first time that the musicians had seen each other since the 80s. He wrote of Karn’s last months in his own tribute in January: “Mick’s wry sense of humour, keen creativity and graciousness were there even in the times of most physical distress.”
During 1984, after Karn and Murphy left their hugely successful and innovative bands, Japan and Bauhaus, they collaborated with Paul Lawford on percussion as Dalis Car to record an album, The Waking Hour (left), and a single, The Judgement is the Mirror, viewable at YouTube with other keyboard and bass- driven songs such as His Box.
Peter Murphy, whose iceberg cheekbones and baritone voice came to prominence with the British rock band Bauhaus (1978-83), has been dubbed the Godfather of Goth. Right now he is touring in the US until April 10, and signed to Nettwerk Music Group to release I Spit Roses as an EP on March 22. A new album titled Ninth is expected on June 7.
MICK KARN, the acclaimed exponent of the fretless guitar, died today in London from cancer. He was a founder member of the British art-rock band Japan, formed in 1974 with David Sylvian, Richard Barbieri, Rob Dean and Steve Jansen, heavily influenced by Bowie and Roxy. By their 1978 album Adolescent Sex, Japan had developed a unique visual style and innovative sound underpinned by Karn’s sensual bass. In all but club membership, Japan *were* the original New Romantic band
❏ Karn’s Facebook page notes this evening “Even on early Japan recordings, his highly distinctive fretless bass voice for which he is most renowned can be heard. By their swan song, critically acclaimed Tin Drum 1981, he was dubbed one of the best bass players in the world. He’d already supplied bass and sax work to Gary Numan’s Dance album and was the first Japan member with a solo record, Titles [hear audio below]. In 1983, Japan’s live album, Oil on Canvas, brought his playing to new ears: jazz legend Jan Garberek.”
❏ Update on Karn’s Facebook page, Jan 18 “Mick’s funeral service took place yesterday afternoon, Monday 17th January, in West London. The private ceremony was attended by close friends and family.”
❏ Bassist John Taylor writes on the Duran Duran website “Nick and I first saw Japan at Barbarellas in Birmingham on their Obscure Alternatives tour and were blown away. They were so fresh, while every other band in town were tripping over each other in a rush to play the same three chords, Japan were brave in many ways. Mick changed my life in a good way. Quiet Life and Gentlemen Take Polaroids, Adolescent Sex and Tin Drum are amongst the best recordings made during the post-punk era in my view. Mick’s sax playing also was always interesting.
❏ Review by Amy Hanson at AllMusic of Japan’s first album Adolescent Sex (1978) says “A remarkable debut, the set snarls with leftover punk intent, a few glam-rock riffs, and a wealth of electronics that not only reach back to the band’s youth, but also predate much of what would explode out of the next wave of British underground… [Later Hanson continues…] The ‘wow factor’ of an incredibly funky bass and guitar on The Unconventional, repeated again on Wish You Were Black, is not only a surprise but leaves one wondering if the band were closet Chic fans … A more exciting album than just about anything else they’d ever record, Japan were young, hungry, and more than a little rough around the edges. Despite the slick R&B work twined in, it’s important to remember that this band were in the sonic foothold of an early edgy era — groundbreakers at their own inception. ”
A/V tracks featuring Karn at YouTube
➢ Mick Karn, Sensitive (1982) — His first album as a solo artist displays his creativity after Japan’s split, accompanied by Japan drummer Steve Jansen and keyboardist Richard Barbieri
➢ Knights of the Opium Moon (ft Mick Karn) — Track 6 from the London electronic band Furiku’s debut album (Like a Freak, May 2010)… This has to be among Karn’s last musical collaborations. Karn’s own discography lists the four-track EP Love’s Glove as his last published recording in 2005. Dom Agius of Furiku tells Shapersofthe80s: “We were approached by Mick and his management in late 2006 via MySpace. They’d heard our work and invited us to remix a track of his. They sent over a selection of basslines but rather than do a conventional instrumental remix we decided — as long-term Japan and Mick fans — to write and record a new song — the “missing track off Tin Drum” if you will. So we sifted through, chopped and redited maybe six of the basslines together and then we wrote Knights of the Opium Moon over that. Mick and his management were thrilled with the results.”
➢ View video: Sons of Pioneers — The best-selling album Oil on Canvas was recorded live during Japan’s six sell-out nights at Hammersmith Odeon, in November 1982, on their last UK concert tour. Japan’s final live performance was on December 16 in Japan. Worsening personal differences persuaded the band members to go their separate ways virtually at the height of their creative and commercial success.
❚ BITTER-SWEET NEWS TO HEAR THAT MIDGE URE has leapt straight into the breach to organise a benefit concert [See update at foot of this post] for Mick Karn, the former bass-player with 80s hit group Japan. Karn’s website has announced that he has been diagnosed with “advanced stages of cancer” and is struggling to pay his medical bills in Cyprus where he lives with wife and child.
One aspect of this sad news is to be reminded that not all chart-topping “popstars” become millionaires, especially the drummers and sax-players and guitarists who don’t get a chance to write lyrics, which is what generate the big money in royalties. The typical pop group makes two albums in as many years. As hugely influential pathfinders for the glam-into-synth-pop era, Japan had a very good run: over eight years, six studio albums and one live, plus umpteen compilations. Yet the pop industry is not noted for its pension schemes.
Another aspect of this week’s news is to be starkly reminded of our own mortality. Mick Karn will be “only” 52 on his birthday next month. When Michael Jackson died last June, he was “only” 50 and more than a few among our pop pals from the Swinging 80s generation said they suddenly felt the hairs prickle on the backs of their necks. Jacko was exactly their age. So was Steve (Stella) New when he died last month, at “only” 50.
What seems to chill us is the threat of the Big C. For most of the past three decades various forms of heart disease have been the most common cause of death in the UK. But whether as a result of dietary change or gym culture, circulatory diseases have shown the greatest decline, while life expectancy at birth has increased by six years on average to 79. It’s often said that if the heart doesn’t get you in the end, cancer will, but what’s little appreciated is that cancer is the prime cause of death among men when they’re younger – in their thirties. From there on, cardiovascular causes and, curiously, geography become more decisive. So, given a man’s susceptibility, perhaps we ought not to be surprised when cancer claims him earlier in life than a woman.
“We understand death for the first time when he puts his hand upon one whom we love,” it is said. “Only” 50, if we’ve come this far, brings ever more frequent intimations of our own mortality, that tilt us from the Wordsworthian vision towards a more pragmatic view of our role as a toiler in the scheme of things. The hot-blooded proclamations of Jimmy Dean, Pete Townshend and Roger McGough starts sounding like romantic indulgence: “Live fast, die young”? You have to be kidding! “Hope I die before I get old”? Oh no, you don’t really! “Let me die a young man’s death”? Absolutely not! As the grand old man of British sculpture, Henry Moore, told The Face shortly before he died at 88: “The work is what’s important, and I haven’t got much time left.”
So all power to Midge Ure for grasping the nettle and planning to celebrate a life not yet fully run. He has urged fans to give Karn both “financial help and emotional help”. In addition, Ure, as the joint-founder of Band Aid, 1984’s fund-raising supergroup, is well versed in how to organise a benefit for Karn. BBC 6Music reports: “While no acts are confirmed yet for the concert, which is to take place some time this year, Ure has his sights on reuniting Japan for the show.” (Karn’s website later said these had not been Midge’s words.)
Ure said of Karn’s diagnosis: “The situation is not very good. The cancer has spread, he is going through chemo right now — but surrounded by family and friends, he has a positive attitude.”
❚ IN 1982 WHEN PETE TOWNSHEND WAS PUTTING TOGETHER a supergroup to launch the first Prince’s Trust Gala, he chose Karn for the line-up and described him as by far the best bassist in the UK. This event was the showcase that led to his collaborations with Kate Bush, Joan Armatrading, Pete Murphy (Dalis Car, 1984), Midge (the chart single After a Fashion, 1983) and many more. The intervening years have yielded 13 solo albums, among which The Tooth Mother (1995) is a standout for its juzz-funky innovation.
Of Karn’s musicianship, Ure said: “Until I heard Japan, I had never heard a bass guitar played like that. It was almost like playing a lead instrument, incredibly percussive and melodic, something that inspired me.”
Mick Karn Appeal – This Fretless
Bass could be yours
Armando Pugliese from Prometeus Guitars in Italy has kindly agreed to donate the proceeds from the auction of a fretless bass guitar to Karn’s appeal – either the bass pictured here, which he lovingly made for himself, or one built to your spec. This a serious instrument worth a high three-figure sum. Auction ends Friday June 25.
[Update: Auction now ended. Winning bid, 1502 Euros.]
Karn’s unusual fretless bass technique is at once surreal, exotic and sinuous, practised in the early days on an aluminum-necked Travis Bean instrument. His best friend guitarist David Torn once said: “It’s like if Bootsy was Moroccan.”
Motown’s James Jamerson insisted that the bass can actually drive a melody, and Karn agrees. It was one of the hallmarks of Japan’s music. The group was founded in 1974 (when Karn was 15) with schoolmates in south London: David Sylvian, David’s younger brother Steve Jansen, and Richard Barbieri. They decided to play Roxy-ish art-rock, both pre-punk and despite punk. By 1979 and the release of their pivotal third album, the synth-driven Quiet Life, Japan’s long hair, glam make-up and progressive melodies saw them branded as New Romantics in all but club membership. In reality they presaged the UK’s edgy new pure pop by going off on their own musical tangent with Sylvian’s sardonic crooning, quirky Eastern influences and saxophone arrangements.
Talk of a reunion might just be a bridge too far, given the deep personal tensions that drove Karn and Sylvian apart in 1982. In 2006, Karn told Beatmag: “For all four of us to agree would be nigh-on impossible. But there’s something I’d really, really enjoy about being on stage with them again, and I’d enjoy playing the old Japan songs again, with my fellow bandmates. That was an enjoyable period of my life, and I’d like to experience it again.”
“Your comments and well wishes have left me speechless, in the same way that our news had affected you. The support and love you give me is felt by all of us here, every day . . .
“At the time of first posting my news I was striving to obtain a medical card that would pay for treatment here in Cyprus and I am pleased to say that in recent days, since becoming officially diagnosed through a series of specific tests, the state will now take care of my basic medical costs . . . Donations that have been received will remain in a fund which will be used to augment the state care . . .
“Words cannot truly express the full scope of my gratitude and feeling of good fortune to have so many friends, both near and far.”
“Thanks to the appeal fund, Mick and his family were able to move to London where he is currently being treated. This really wouldn’t have possible without the support of Mick’s friends and all of you who have raised money for the fund. When it’s appropriate, there will be further updates. Mick also hopes to work with Peter Murphy on a follow up to their Dali’s Car album, The Waking Hour, towards the end of September.”
➤ Latest reflections by the restless Karn on a road well travelled
❚ MICK KARN GIVES AN INTERVIEW to Rob Kirby in the next issue of re:VOX, a pocket magazine dedicated to 80s electronica. The guitarist says of the restless and searching quality in much of his latest album, The Concrete Twin, which was released in January: “My recordings are always a way of dealing with unresolved issues, most of them mentioned in the book [his autobiography] . . . It’s impossible not to hear music wherever you go. Everything I hear will eventually turn into an influence on some level, subconsciously.”
Who, or what, is The Concrete Twin of the album’s title (£7.99 as a download, £17.49 as CD from Karn’s site)? It brings to mind the self-sculpture of Antony Gormley. Karn, who has been admired as a sculptor for 30 years alongside riding the music industry rollercoaster, says: “I guess it’s the closest I’ll come to mixing music with sculpture. The concrete twin is another self we all have. The ‘hard’ side of us that can withstand all the trials and tribulations that life has to offer.”
What prompted you to commit your thoughts on your past life so candidly to the book, Japan and Self Existence (£16.96 from Lulu), which has roused strong reactions? Was it the relocation to Cyprus? “Just tired of meeting so many people that have the wrong idea, and that well-known people can have the same human flaws as anyone else. I feel glad that people know the truth due to the book, but contented, no. I’m never contented. It’s my motivation for carrying on. Self-publishing was the last option. Debi spent three years on my behalf, approaching every publisher that we could think of. The reaction was always positive, but the explanation the same: too many biographies by musicians on the market.”
❏ Extracts from Musique Concrete, an interview with Mick Karn in re:VOX #9, on sale in late June at £1.50 from Rob Kirby, 2 Bramshott Close, London Road, Hitchin, Herts SG4 9EP.
➢ Mick Karn’s own website – Download his latest album The Concrete Twin, order his autobiography, view his sculpture online (“amazingly accomplished” – John Russell-Taylor)
➢ Honorable tension: Karn gives a substantial interview to music journalist Anil Prasad in 1996 for Innerviews, the web’s longest-running music magazine. Extract here . . .
On the line-up for Japan’s 1989 reunion as Rain Tree Crow: “We really wanted a soloist and a guitarist. David Torn was my first choice. I recommended him to everyone. It looked as if it was going to happen for a while. But the David Sylvian we’d always known was one of complete control. That made it very difficult for us to work with him. And that was another reason why the band just couldn’t work. We found that as more time went by, the more and more control David [Sylvian] wanted to take — to the point of not wanting David Torn to come into the picture, because he decided to take care of the guitar himself . . .”
➢ VIEW ♫ ♫ Japan on Top Ten New Romantics – Paul Morley: “There was a wonderful moment when it happened for Japan with the album Ghosts, when us serious NME people embraced them, because they seem to have left behind the weird clothing and the makeup” !!! Oh yes.